Immigrating to Honduras, revisited
Update to a January 2007 article
I receive many emails from people who are considering moving to/retiring in/investing in/looking for work in Honduras. I'm always a little surprised, thinking to myself, "Well, if you read my blog, do you really think I'm going to recommend it?" Life is hard in Honduras for so many reasons, even when you have the money to live a comfortable lifestyle. On the other hand, I appreciate your confidence in me to give you the 'straight scoop.'
While I enjoy hearing from people and I've made some good friends through these correspondences, I'm just going to have to say that I can no longer give that kind of advice.
First, I'm not qualified to answer many of the questions. Some need to be asked of an attorney or three, and you will probably receive three different answers. The residency rules have changed since I moved here and can change almost daily, depending upon which government worker you are dealing with at the moment.
Second, it is absolutely draining to me to try to answer the numerous, very detailed questions. I've always tried to help as much as I can, especially when I see that people are talking of things that are risky, either financially or safety-wise, or clearly have on their 'rose-colored glasses.' But it has just become too time-consuming and I don't want to be responsible for life-changing decisions that someone might make.
Here is the advice that I will give:
1. When reading about Honduras online, consider the source. Is it from a real estate agent, travel agent, tourism agency, or anyone else who has something to gain? Is it from a tourist who spent a week in a luxury hotel or a backpacker who enjoys roughing it? I'm so amazed at some of the misinformation that I read about Honduras that sometimes I just laugh out loud.
2. Always remember that the Bay Islands and the mainland are worlds apart. Information that applies to the Bay Islands may or may not be accurate for mainland Honduras. My experience is only with mainland Honduras. The Bay Islands may offer more of the comforts and conveniences that North Americans are used to, but the cost of living is much higher, too.
3. If you want to know what it is like, come here and rent a house or an apartment for 6 months or more to see if you really like it long term. Don't sell everything you own and move here after a week's vacation or even two or three vacations here. Day to day living in Honduras is a lot different than being on vacation. According to the attorney who handled my residency, half of the expatriates return to where they came from within 6 months to a year.
4. Learn Spanish before you come. Classes probably will be less expensive and more professional in your local community college. Online courses are available, too. Of course, once you are here, talking with native Spanish speakers will help to improve your Spanish and your accent, but without some basic Spanish abilities, learning by speaking will be very difficult. Don't believe those websites mentioned above that always say that English is widely spoken; it isn't on the mainland.
5. Be prepared for culture shock. It is real and it will happen to you. Accomplishing the most simple things in your daily life can be so stressful. It isn't like moving to another state with a lower cost of living. Finding out that you can't trust anyone, even people who you thought were friends, leaves a very empty spot in the pit of your stomach. Check out these cultural differences articles, 47 of them as of April 2008, and that's only scratching the surface.
6. Don't rely on what the Honduran Consulate offices in your country tell you about immigrating. They are wrong more often than right. Relying on bad information from the Houston Consulate cost us several thousand dollars and untold stress and worry. The newspapers are full of complaints by expatriate Honduran citizens about the bad service they receive from their own consulate. If they don't care about helping the Hondurans they are there to serve, think about how much they enjoy screwing up us gringos.
7. Don't even consider buying property until you have found a trustworthy attorney and checked his references. There are many crooked attorneys and fraudulent land transactions. People, both gringos and Hondurans, lose their money on bad land deals all the time, even those with experience. I personally know two Hondurans who were cheated out of their property by their own attorney and another by the government. Don't rely solely on the US Embassy list of Honduran attorneys as it is rumored that there are crooked/incompetent attorneys on that list, too. And don't ever consider building a house unless you will be here full time to supervise the work.
8. The government of Honduras wants immigrants who bring their money from other countries (US $2,500 per month for income residents or US $1,500 for retired residents) or who make investments here (US $50,000), not people looking for jobs. And even though they offer residencies to those with a proven, reliable outside income, it sometimes is extremely difficult and time consuming to obtain that residency. Most teachers, missionaries, and other volunteers that I know of come on a 3-month tourist visa and must leave the country every 3 months in order to renew their visa. Due to the time, expense, and red tape required to get a residency or special presence permit, it just isn't worth it for most people staying only one or two years.
9. To the best of my knowledge, most expatriate residents may not legally take jobs, except for certain explicitly defined jobs, such as teaching, government contractors, missionary or other charity work. Those married to Hondurans may be allowed to work, but non-citizens must obtain Honduran work permits or "green cards" like in many other countries. Tourists are not permitted to work. Coming to Honduras looking for work is like going to the Sahara to look for water. Even if you could legally find a job, salaries are generally 10-20% of what is paid in the U.S. An average salary for a middle-class worker is around U.S. $300-$400 per month, minimum wage is around $150 per month.
10. If you are planning to immigrate, don't buy your airline ticket, ship your belongings, import your car or pets, or buy a house until you are clear as to what the residency rules are! It could be a very expensive and stressful lesson for you.
Okay, so where can you go to get the information you need? I wish I could give you an excellent overall source like this one: The Real Costa Rica, but there just isn't a website like this for Honduras. I do suggest that you read this site − so much of the information is very similar in Honduras. Just multiply the negative things by two and divide the good things in half and you'll have a better idea of life in Honduras. After all, there are many more Americans in Costa Rica, Mexico, and Panama than there are in Honduras. There are logical reasons for this.
Other websites that may be helpful:
U.S. Embassy Consular Sheet for Honduras: Read this entirely. The dangers in Honduras are very real and anyone considering moving to Honduras should be aware of them.
U.S. Embassy Regional Security: This page is a real eye opener. There are other topics on this US Embassy in Honduras site that will be of interest to you.
US Embassy overview of the residency process: This site has some basic information about residencies. Unfortunately, the details of the requirements of the various types of residencies are in Spanish.
Doing business in Honduras: A downloadable US government publication on doing business in Honduras is available by clicking on the link near the bottom of the page.
US Library of Congress Country Study: A very detailed, but not currently updated history of Honduras.
Honduras This Week Online: A weekly English-language newspaper. The site is not organized for research − for some reason they don't use permalinks and many of their page links don't work at all − but it is worth perusing. You can also sign up for a weekly summary email.
Honduras media: If you read Spanish, check out the Honduran newspapers. If you don't read Spanish, try using the translation feature on the Google Toolbar for the articles in which you are interested.
8 Rules for Investor Survival in Honduras: Scary to read, but the advice is so true.
Blogs of Expatriates in Honduras: Check out the Honduran blogs that I read in my links section. Personally, I think there is no better way to get an understanding of what day-to-day life is like in a foreign country.
Honduras Living Yahoo Group: My friend "Don Godo" and I started a new forum about moving to and living in Honduras in January 2007. This is a very good resource for people thinking about moving to Honduras or for those already here. You can join by clicking the link above or read more about the group here. As of April 2008, our group has almost 600 members and YOU can help us to make it bigger and better!
I hope that helps you in your quest for information and if I find any other useful information, I'll include it in my blog. If you know of other informative sites, please let me know so that I can include those, too.








55 comments:
That's incredible you took the time to gather all that info. Now you can just shoot off your post to answer those questions. Basically, it's the same here in CR. Can I refer them to your blog post "Immigrating to Honduras, revisted" - it's GREAT!!
I commend your patience. You should write a book on moving to Honduras and sell it on Amazon or eBay. That way you could just say "Read the book. It is available at......for ....USD" That way you would not have to keep writing the same thing over and over.
Patty
Something else I might add: While the American embassy is a good resource, don't expect them to be at your beck and call and to bail you out of all your troubles.
Your post is excellent and goes for anyone wanting to move to Latin America. I can not believe the amount of people who want to move south and have never even take a beginning Spanish language class. I like to read ex-pat blogs, so many experiences are similar to mine in Mexico. What I have noticed is that the bloggers in Mexico seem happiest, the other countries seem a mixed bag, and the Honduran blogs paint a sad picture.
I think retiring south is the new panacea, like moving to the countryside used to be. It just isn't for most people.
regards,
Theresa
Tica and Patty, don't give me too much credit. I'm trying something new on my blog and wanted to link to the article. As I started looking it over, I realized that there were a few things that I had learned new info and thought rather than just updating an old article, I'd bring it to the forefront -- so basically, it was the same as I wrote about a year ago.
I'm still not sure what is the best way to update old articles. Any ideas anyone?
Patty, lots of bloggers do write books but, I don't know, I don't think that is for me.
Akinoluna, not at your "Beck and call?" Hah! That's putting it mildly from what I've heard. No, you've never heard me suggest going to the embassy for help, have you?
I have heard that they will get involved if an American is killed or kidnapped. I guess that is some consolation. ;-/
Thanks, Theresa (and Tica). I'm glad to hear (I guess -- ;-) ) that the advice holds for other Latin American countries.
There are so many more expats in Mexico than in Central American countries so probably if you read a lot of them, you get a better overview of the country. On the other hand, I have been told that saying less than complimentary things about Mexico can get an expat kicked out of the country. Have you heard anything about that? Do you think there is any truth to it?
What I'm really jealous of is all those beautiful market photos that I see so often! Man, I want to see something like that in Honduras! Why don't we have that????
Nah, I've never heard you mention them. I just brought it up because some people who've never been overseas think the American Embassy is their Mommy and Daddy and will help them out of all their troubles. Like the lady who ran out of her prescription medicine and thought the embassy would get her some more...hehe
Juan Calypso wrote this excellan summary of Mexican Immigration law for his blog called Viva Veracruz
http://www.vivaveracruz.com/blog/?p=678
Basically, foreigners aren't allowed to interfere with Mexican politics, uncriticizing the government is one of those no-nos. But there are certainly enough blogs that are not exactly complimentary to México and Mexicans.
I cannot speak for the rest of Mexico, but Yucatan is known for being tranquilo (tranquil, quiet, most crime is petty theft and opportunistic, but that is changing. We always remind ourselves TIM (this is Mexico)when things get frustrating, but overall it's easy to live here, just a tad on the warm and humid side (99ºF yesterday with 74% humidity).
regards,
Theresa
Akinoluna, heheh. I've always felt that Embassy puts all their emphasis on helping (or not helping) Hondurans get visas and have no interest in us poor Americans. Jeesh! Some of their documents on their website are in Spanish only. How rude is that?
Theresa, I read the article. Thanks for the link.
I always worry about getting in trouble for my blog but El Jefe thinks I'm ridiculous to worry about it.
99 degrees with 74% humidity? Yikes! Our weather has been hot lately, after a brief cold front, but nothing like that.
Wow.. that was an awesome description of what life in Honduras really is, I leave here but it ain't that bad I live in San Pedro Sula, it is very dangerous city i wont denied it but it all depends where you transit..and I mean for a small central american country the city has a lot of comodities many people are use as fast food stablishments, huge malls,I really don't get a huge about them.. but it is a little bit discomforting to find so many bad things and less good things, but hey it's just my opinion I love it here, nice group of friends most of them come from good families and have studied abroad or in private american schools here, so liked I said before it all depends where and with who you hang out in here..
I think anonymous is right it does depend on where you live and with whom you choose to hang out with. But I think that goes for any place out there in the world even the united states(but its a little more safer than in 3rd world countries). Thats how life is though.
I am truly shocked and amazed on your courage in moving to Honduras especially as a single woman. Having been there a few times I understand your culture shock. Glad that you are doing well, I hope you do find friends you can trust, I know a select few down there. Thanks for your blog, by the way have you been to the "Carnitas" in San Pedro?
So I would ask.... if it is so stressful and you have a hard life in Honduras, then why did you move? Why are you still here? Why don't you pick up and leave, I guess there is just something about Honduras that makes you not want to leave and get a permanent residency.... so strange..... Maybe the incompetent Honduran goverment should deport you back to your country......
Do I sense pride in your comment catracho? I think you need to read some more before commenting. I think LG is writing about our country the way she sees it. After all, it is her personal diary. It is what it is and unless we (Hondurans change it)it'll continue to be a disgrace. So why don't we start. Go ahead make suggestions. Deena
Dear Gringa!
If you know the realities of Honduras, and how hard life is over there and that you can't trust anyone, why are you still there and not in the US?
Dear Gringa!
If you know that Honduras is pretty bad and you can't trust anyone, why do you still live there and not in the US? I had an option to move to Honduras, but not even reading your wonderful blog, I knew I wouldn't be able to live there and feel safe and go to medical school on the same level as the US...
Hey Deena... I did read the entire thing and that is why I commented. I just can't believe someone feels so uncomfortable, so bad that she can't trust anyone where she lives, but amazingly still lives here.... don't you just feel something is just not right... or do you think living uncomfortably is just something she enjoys....
Hey Catracho, sorry you took this article so personally! Interesting, because I read the whole thing again and I don't quite get your resentment, unless you work for the Consulate, in which case you know that the accusations are absolutely true.
In fact, while I was reading the article, I was thinking that with very few changes, it probably would fit immigrating to just about any country.
Immigrants in the US often have a difficult time in many of those same areas that I mentioned and it is just a sad fact that immigrants are often taken advantage of in most countries in the world, certainly they are in the US, don't you agree?
Just as many Hondurans go to the US for many reasons -- which rarely have to do with the fact that they blindly love the US and its government or think it is a utopia -- many US Americans come to Honduras for many reasons. Some come to retire in a warm climate, for jobs, for missions to help Honduras, and a whole lot are coming lately because their husbands have been deported. I came because my husband is Catracho and his family is here and we just thought we could have a nice simple life here.
My goal for this article was not to make Honduras sound bad, but to be more realistic about what it is like to move to Honduras. I just happen to believe that people who are prepared will have an easier time than those who are shocked that it isn't the paradise that they were told to expect.
When people read my blog -- all of it, not just one article -- and still want to come to Honduras, I believe that they are the kind of person who will have a successful life here. It's the people who can't bear to read a negative word about Honduras who I think will have the hardest time in the long run -- or more accurately, in a very short time.
Honduras is not a paradise; no country is. However, if you read the real estate sites and tourism sites, that's what they claim. And why do they claim that? Because they have something to sell.
I don't think that is fair to people who need solid information to make a good, informed decision -- just as it isn't fair to Hondurans to think that the streets are paved with gold in the US and that they will all become millionaires overnight! It just isn't so.
So once again, I'm sorry that you were offended. I think there are some good facts in the article and some good solid links whereby readers can learn more about Honduras.
I don't think that Honduras is a country that deports people for what they think or what they say, but I could be wrong. In that case, then that is definitely something that the world should know.
Deena, thanks for your comment and for understanding.
MMMaria, just like in most mixed-country marriages, there are compromises to be made. We might have made a different decision if we had known more about "real life in Honduras" -- hence the blog! ;-)
Catracho, you mentioned the trust issue again in your second comment. Though I have many cultural differences, it seems that my feelings about trust put me right in there with Hondurans! Did you read the referenced article?:
"A recent National Report of Transparency showed that 47% of the Honduran people surveyed don't trust anyone (including family members) and 46% have very little trust in others for a whopping 93% of the total population!"
So, in this respect, I am fitting in quite well with the Honduran culture.
Do you know what La Gringa, i too am a "white girl" with a man from honduras however i would never have the NERVE that you have to post the hideous things you post on your blog. You're not honduran. And you make that clear by making your name " La Gringa." You don't have a right to insult a place that many people unlike you call home. You may think it's so bad because you've had so much better but to many people, honduras is paradise. You clearly have no respect for the country your man is from. You are the reason why people like me get these bad reps like we think we are better than everyone else. You clearly think you are better than all of honduras and should just pack your things and go back "home" b/c you clearly don't have one there.
"Do you know what La Gringa, i too am a "white girl" with a man from honduras however i would never have the NERVE that you have to post the hideous things you post on your blog."
Doesn't have the nerve... but probably wishes she did... ;-)
kman
Wish i had the nerve to publicly disrespect my husband, his family, and his country...no thats alight, I'm good. I actually love my man and respect the country he is from and would NEVER try to insult his people like this. What bothers me the most about you "La Gringa" is that all you do is take pictures of and talk about the negative things about honduras. Instead of taking photos of the beautiful fruits trees and beaches, you show the dirt on the floor, and insects in your garbage, and never ONCE show yourself. Why not? Why are you afraid to show yourself? Are you even a "Gringa?"
Anonymous, I am Honduran and LG's postings are nothing, but mere reality. I come and read this blog every day. It makes appreciate everything i am today. I grew up in Honduras, so everything that she pin points has always been that way. On the contrary, her blog makes aware of many things. For instance, why some Hondurans trow their trash on the street (I can't get that one, why do they have to scream when talking on the phone, and I could go on. This blog is an eye opener for any one who wants some information. It can also bring nostalgia for some or make crack a smile when you are down. So, if you are not happy maybe you should take the time and read some more, and ask your husband. I am sure he will agree. And last, this blog is not about respect, is about how you encounter life in another country. How you face cultural differences, how you deal with any aspect of your daily life and i could go on. So, if we Hondurans don't take care of our country, don't you think is good to hear from someone outside the box? And to all Hondurans out there instead of going off on LG, why don't we look for a solution. Stop the complaining!
Deena
Deena, you seem to be missing the point. La Gringa's post are rarely positive. She is always compaining about how horrible her life is. There comes a point after 7 years of living in a country and being with people you apparenlty love where your surroundings shouldn't matter. Does she think littering only exists there? I don't have any problem with her as a person. I am sure La Gringa is a nice woman but how much can a person complain. Maybe the reason she hates it so much is because she is just a negative person and nothing will ever satisfy her-
I gotta wonder why Anonymous is reading this blog. I am at the age where I pretty much only do what gives me pleasure; ergo, do not associate with negative people (yep, includes family), no longer take work I hate and certainly do not spend leisure time reading blogs that don't enlighten or entertain or are compatible with my, mostly, optimistic view of the world. Anonymous, I learned this life lesson rather late (mid-30s) and wish for you this lesson whatever your age. If you get riled up reading La Gringa, it's very easy; DON"T.
La Gringa, you charm, delight and inform me. Thank you for your work.
Sam in Canada and Panama
Well, anonymous the postings are what you would encounter if you were there. This blog is after all her personal diary and we all have the choice to read it or not. I for one love to read it and it is my PC's background for eight hours that i spend at work. If you only read one or two articles, that's not enought, you need to read the whole thing. Hondurans are Hondurans and that is the way we have been. It will take one caring person to change that. LG is giving us the insight for free, why don't we start.
Deena
" La Gringa's post are rarely positive. She is always compaining about how horrible her life is. There comes a point after 7 years of living in a country and being with people you apparenlty love where your surroundings shouldn't matter."
I am going to take the liberty to use this as a model for my comment
La Gringa's posts are always realistic. She is always pointing out how things could be so much better if only a little effort was made to come out of mediocrity, the effort required is not huge.
There comes a point after very little of living in a country and being with people you obviously love....where you feel its irresponsible to ignore everything and pretend that everything is ok the way things are .........and sometimes people feel that by talking about stuff other people ignore or feel complacent about it ......they can start making a difference (And sometimes that rubs the complacent ones the wrong way but oh well....that's the price to pay for caring about your enviroment and your loved ones)
there :)
"You clearly think you are better than all of honduras and should just pack your things and go back "home" b/c you clearly don't have one there."
"home", why does this ring a bell with me? You're a loyal reader of this blog, no?
Reading the Blogicito has clearly tested a major decision you made in your life.
kman
I'm a honduran. As I've said before, it was very hard to read some of the negative stuff about Honduras la gringa has written. But reading it has helped me understand our own culture so much more, and has given me the guts to blog about the things I don't like about my country too. I love Honduras but as I once said to someone: when you really love someone, you know their flaws, and still love them anyway.
I regard La gringa as my friend even though we haven't met personally (I was born in La Ceiba, where she lives). I like friends who are brave enough to tell the truth.
Have I ever said I'm a white girl? Hmmmm. Food for thought.
Unlike Anon, I don't dwell on the color of the skin and rarely even notice it for that matter. My friends and family come in all colors. The fact that anon described herself by her color tells me something.
Anon, why don't you come to live in this paradise that is Honduras and then *you* can tell us what it is like? Then you might have some knowledge to back up your argument other than viewing some pretty pictures on the internet.
(Maybe you'll also tell us, since I haven't, about all the drunken men who hack their wives and girlfriends to death with a machete, about all the newborn babies that are thrown into creeks or garbage bags, about all the children who die because their mother didn't have 75 cents to take a bus to the nearest hospital, just to give you a sampling of things I could be writing about if I was as negative as you think that I am.)
I think that I answered everything you need to know here:
Do you disagree?
Deena, thanks as usual! You are my hero.
Sam, Wolfie, thanks for the delightful comments. ;-D
Aaron, I mentioned to El Jefe that this article was getting more of those "Why don't you just go back where you came from" comments.
Hmmm, he said he was trying to think of what I should say to them. I said, "You know what? I don't have to say anything because my Honduran -- HONDURAN! -- friends are sticking up for me!"
Your comment is just about the nicest one I have ever received.
"I like friends who are brave enough to tell the truth." Thank you for that.
You're welcome, Gringa; long live the blogicito!
You Know, every now and again, I stop by this blog and have a look-see. Due to time restraints, I can't read every article, but the ones I do read are thoughtful, realistic, appreciative and funny (especially the one about the Honduran finger snapping, HE-LA-RIOUS!!) I am a Garifuna woman living in NY, who took some time and spent about 6 months in Honduras with family. I gotta tell ya, La Gringa, is almost absolutely right. Or at least I can definitely agree with a lot that is said in this article. My family, like probably every other Garifuna family in Honduras lives on the coast. But it's not all sunny beaches and and palm trees, no no no. Due to the rash of Americans and Honduran Americans building new and elaborate houses, crime has risen on our once beautiful and tranquil land. A retired couple, born and raised in Honduras, were robbed in their own bed!! What La Gringa says is true, the six months I spent there changed my view on wanting to live there, which was my goal. The friends, and sadly family, who I thought I trusted, quickly "turned" on me, because I was "una gringa". You have to watch who goes into your house and if they take anything out. It's a sad reality that has many people disheartened, especially my parents who were planning to retire there, but who now have second thoughts. And then there was a sense of ...I don't know what. After a couple of months, I started feeling restless, like I needed to do something, besides the teaching I was already doing. Being from NYC, there's always something to do, and if you come from a place similar, believe me, that restlessness follows you.
After those six months, I was actually happy to be back.
Ceiba, or La Ceiba, is a beautiful city, and I had a chance to stay with my aunt and uncle. Not only did they have tall concrete walls protecting their house, but a ferocious guard dog named Billie. I couldn't even open the window in the room I was staying in, for fear someone may look in and see some of the nice stuff they have, and steal it.
Honduras does have its rough sides, but it is a beautiful country with equally beautiful people. I've come to appreciate my culture a lot more. La Gringa's post is very accurate, and if you choose to see Honduras through rose-colored glasses, good luck to you.
Oh yeah, and to Anonymous, with "the man" from Honduras....have you even BEEN there? " Why don't you take pics of the fruit trees...?" Are you serious?! La Gringa is not a travel agent (right?) and doesn't have to, it is her personal diary, and she's showing us every day pics. It was hard reading this and other articles but believe me, they are realistic!
Sorry, La Gringa, for the long post, I usually don't even respond to blogs, but this one....I just had to!!
I'm not sorry you wrote a long comment, Melissa. ;-D I really appreciate it.
Thanks very much for taking the time to validate my info! Though it didn't work out the way you expected and hoped, the six months you spent here might have saved you a lot of expense and grief. If, for example, you had sold a house in the US and bought one here. It's not easy or cheap to move to another country and to do it twice in a year or so would be expensive.
I've gotten the impression that Hondurans who spend many years in the US may be treated by some as a gringo when they move back -- at least in the respect that they are thought to be "rich" and possibly easy targets for loans or theft.
No, I'm not a travel agent or real estate agent so I'm completely free to speak my mind.
Speaking of fruit trees, though, I have a ton of photos of my garden and my fruit trees, so I guess some people see what they want to see and don't see what they don't want to see.
I hope to hear from you again, Melissa.
La Gringa,
I completely understand your motive of informing people so that they are not jumping into one thing when they expected another. That is a huge issue with moving abroad and of course those who come to Honduras for a few weeks each year would likely be suprised by what living in Honduras permanently is actually like.
That being said, as an American who lives in San Pedro Sula, I am sometimes disheartened by what you write. Sure, Honduras has many problems, but I find myself feeling defensive about some of your posts about the problems in the country. I think my favorite of your posts are the ones where you discover a new way to adjust to something you weren't used to...putting spices in the freezer, crocheting plastic bags, etc. Those posts give me ideas of how to adjust to things that I am still getting used to after one short year, without discouraging me and making me grumpy about the things that I don't love about this country.
Caitlin, thanks for your thoughtful comment. I don't know your situation but a lot of teachers come for a year or two at the most. They spend their weekends and vacations traveling Central America, staying in nice hotels and visiting all the tourist spots. Some teach at the schools for the rich and privileged. You are having an adventure that you will remember for your entire life.
That's great! I have no problem with that. I wish I could do it! But I would suggest that people in that situation do not have a true view of what life in Honduras is like, nor a view of what is going on behind all these scenes of poverty and the incredible lack of education that the majority of the population is getting. I would venture to guess that you are self-censoring some of what you see in order not to offend your employer or depress your friends and family back home, verdad?
Your blog is a wonderful travelogue of Central America. I would happily refer anyone wanting to know more about traveling CA to it. The photos are fabulous.
Adventures in Hondoland
Life in Honduras IS disheartening for the majority of the population. The more that you know about it, the more real that becomes. If I were only here for a year or two, it would be much easier for me to ignore the problems and the reasons behind all the poverty and injustice.
Both type of blogs serve a purpose. Mine is just more about real life, which at times is a real adventure, too, but not the kind that you are having. ;-)
BTW, love your talents and your students artwork!
Hi Gringa!...or La Gringa...might sound less accusatory...lol. You're definitely right, it IS a little disheartening coming to a country that you feel you belong to to be called "la gringa" or "yankee". True I was born and raised in NYV, but I was brought up with a strong cultural identity, my parents always taught me to believe yo soy Garifuna, even if I wasn't taught the language. To be told otherwise, much less by your own people, is a little heartbreaking...but there's no problem if you have 100 lempiras in your hand. No, but on a better note, I don't let them or what they say affect me. I have a good story that I would love to write up on that subject. Hopefully, one day, when I decide to write it, I'll definitely send it to you. I still think about living in Honduras, but with a little more precaution. BTW, the Honduran finger snapping....my 10 year old sister can do it better than I can!!
I'd love to get your story and would be happy to post it.
Fuera Yankees!!!!!
Wow...I've read just about every comment posted here and I must say that I am amused about some of them.
I stumbled upon this site looking for a house to move to in Honduras. After 25 years living in the States, I just want to live in my country again with all of its thirld world status, corruption, crime, etc. Why? because I love my people...yes those that throw the trash out the bus, those you can't trust because they bite the hand that feeds them, those Gringos living there who think that by helping the poor other Hondurean can kiss their ass, those Hondurean that hate the Gringos but love the Dollars that they bring and love the Dollars that their relatives living in the States send, etc.
All I have to say is good for you La Gringa...you can write anything you want and good for you Catracho, you can write anything you want also. But, guess what Catracho you can stop reading or coming back to this site and La Gringa can just as well pick up her stuff and leave Honduras one day.
Yes some of the stuff La Gringa may say may sound a little off, but so what? It's not like she's not telling the truth or some version thereof that the rest of the world did not know....we are a thirld world country!!....and I love my Country and every day I think of the ways I can make it progress.
So, live in it if you want to and hate it or live your life as you so damn well please and love it.
Catracho....come on man!!...La Gringa....come on girl!!!....Both of you kiss and make up. We should watch the coming game between Honduras and Mexico.....jaja so that Catracho and La Gringa can both talk shit about Mexico (at least in a soccer context)for a change..
I *^*^%%R$ love my Country!!!! Ahora si hijos de puta....Honduras al Mundial South Africa 2010!!!
Good for you, Vic. Best of luck to you in your return to Honduras. I'd love to see more Hondurans with a wider perspective return to Honduras. People like you may be the hope of the future.
I'd also like to hear about your experiences once you return and see how you feel a year or so after....
I just read a good bit of these comments. Interesting in that I write lots of negative things about my adopted country of Mexico, and I almost never receive negative feedback. I believe it´s because so few Mexicans can read English.
I used to participate a lot in Mexico-oriented forums for expats, and I pissed off so many of those rose-colored-glasses people that I have quit forums entirely.
Many of the things you write in the post about moving to Honduras also apply to moving to Mexico.
The things you write about trust definitely apply in Mexico, and it´s one of the reasons the economy drags. I´m sure it´s a factor in Honduras too. Actually, in all of Latin America.
Your blog is very good, and you write very well. Kudos to you.
Thanks for your comments, John. I've gotten to where I dread seeing a new comment come in on this article. ;-/
I'm feeling censored!
Perhaps the difference is that there aren't so many English language blogs about Honduras as there are about Mexico so the readers are more disbursed. There are a lot more Honduran blogs than there were even just a couple of years ago, but most are the visitor/peace corp/missionary type.
I actually feel sorry for the rose-colored glasses, head-in-the-sand folks. I'm also saddened by Hondurans who put so much effort into trying suppress anyone's opinion. The first step to solving a problem is admitting that you have one.
Dear la Gringa;
Congratulations for your blog, it is very informative and complete about how is the big picture of living permanentely in Honduras.'However I have an observation for you, If you know it is difficult for you to live there why are you still there. It seems that every single thing that hondurans do seems odd to you. If you have designated so much of your personal time to do this blog and to keep it current, why is it to say the things you dislike about the country and his people?
There is so much information to read on your website. Honduras is a very beautiful place to visit, excellent natural spots etc. To live there yes you must know spanish and must have an income or savings coming from another source.
There are nice people that you could make friends in playas del peru, new constructions from ex NY residents. I hope things will get better down there, and I advise you be careful with the new wave of crime that is affecting the whole country "kidnappers"
Good luck
I think that everyone is in title to their opinion and if you dont like it you dont have to read it. i just came from a visit from seeing my husband that was deported and i dont think honduras is paradise but i do think it beautiful and simple and you dont have the hassles like you do in the U.S. so if i they end i have to move here i would. but like i said if you dont like something someone wrote on "their" own blog then just dont read it
As a gringa with a Honduran boyfriend, I want to learn all I can about the REAL Honduras, good and bad, because hopefully I will marry my Catracho and live there myself one day and need to hear from someone like La Gringa who is willing to paint an honest picture of Honduras. When the day comes, si Dios quiere, I want to be fully informed about the beautiful but flawed country I move to. No nation is perfect and none is all bad either, and I think LG is always fair and honest. Some of the readers really take the blog too personally and need to understand that it is La Gringa's personal account of living in Honduras and that they don't have to agree but neither should they judge or attack her.
Thank you for taking the time to comment.
I spent 2 years in Honduras 1965-67 as a Peace Corps Volunteer (rural-no electricity-no water etc). I have been back nunmerous times and feel "at home". Things are not perfect anywhere. Constructive criticism can be helpful if we are willing to work to solve the problems that we confront. I plan to be back this year for a month and celebrate the "15 de Setiembre" and just go with the flow.
Jose in wisconsin
S.C.
hi everyone,, i just want to add a few words to this. first of all ,,from 1 to 10 ,i would give a 10 to LA GRINGA,,LA ,despite all the negatives messages you have got so far from people,,just don't give up ,, i am Honduran living in Toronto Canada and all you said is the real true , we all know what kind of life people live there , and i love Honduras ,i do still have a lot of relatives there ,but we need to wake up and see the reality,the same society is forcing people to do bad things ,
It's sad but is happening but the only thing i know is that Honduras is not the only country with this kind of situations .just read the news and watch them ,it's all over the world,
La Gringa ,all my respects for what are you doing ,,someone has to tell to the world about it ,,i admire and honestly agree with you ,,Be Brave that lots of Honduran around the world will be happy knowing and reading this ,Thank You for being so useful and openminded .
Cheers ! S.C. desde Toronto.Ontario
SC, thank you so much for taking the time to comment.
Hola Gringa:
I read all your post and the coments of everyone., I could not agree more with you.
Your oponion is exactly and correct. I could not say it better. every single word of your personal opinion is true. I have done it and I have been there in every situation that you are mentioning about Honduras and his way of been. It could be worse, if you were negative at all., but to me that it is pure fact., so if there are anyone out there think very well and considere every single situation, before coming down here. La gringa says it all in a actually very positive point of view.!!!, keep on Gringa!!! you actually are helping many persons with your opinion., best regards
Soy Hondurena, and I love Honduras with all the good, the bad and the ugly. it is just the way it is. and in my opinion it is going to get worse, with the crazy president we have, he lost his floor long ago., now we are in the way to become a social comunist country, and I know all of you know what it means comunist. be awere. And we will be colony of Chavez and Cuba, not because we choose, but because we were sold. by our crazy "Palmerolo" new nick name of Mel Zelaya.
lucha, it's so interesting (and confusing!) to me that some readers (both gringos and Hondureños) take my blog as truthful and positive and others think it is so negative. I really, really just try to be honest about what I see. If I didn't care about the future and didn't try to maintain some hope for improvement, I wouldn't write about it at all.
But, I believe more than anything, that things will only get worse unless Hondurans wake up and make rightful demands of their government. I know that fear and corruption are the main reasons that as a whole, they don't, and I understand that 100%.
It's funny, but I actually feel sorry for the people (both gringo and Honduran) who can't bear to hear a negative word. No one likes to hear negative things about their country or adopted country, but bringing things to light is the only way to get changes in motion.
La Gringa, Woah! Thanks for the insight. I'm planning to volunteer in Honduras in just a few weeks. I'll be working with children in La Ceiba.
I'm arriving in SPS then traveling to La Ceiba alone, I consider myself a safe traveler but I'll admitt that I'm a little worried now with news about the recent reactions to the govt. in Honduras.
Plus, I'm planning to travel with a duffle of toothbrushes, sandals, and school supplies.
I'm concerned that I am one of those people that need to remove my "rose colored glasses".
Any more advice you can send would be awesome! Plus, I just got to your blog so I will continue reading.
from Virginia Beach, Virginia.
I just had the most enlightned experiense reading "Immagrating to Hondurous" and all the comments...I came accross this by accident and began reading out of curiosity. Your writing is honest and I found myself absorbed as I read about a subject that has lightly crossed my mind from time to time. The comments created good informative dramatic reading and I felt an appreciation for everyone's heart felt post. Exceptonal blog...I wish you and everyone of your readers well...
La Gringa,
I am an American living in Italy and I update my friends and family with stories about living abroad. Sometimes I write about friendly people, beautiful scenery, or a nondescript day, but rarely. The stories they love to read are of all the frustrating, and therefore usually hilarious, differences about our culture. You wouldn't be educating people about Honduran culture if you weren't talking about the differences you have experienced from your own culture.
Anyway, I have thoroughly enjoyed your blog. Thanks.
Chayah
Thank you, Chayah. It is the differences that make it interesting!
My favorite line when tourists complained about whatever when I lived in Colima, Mexico was "Where ARE WE?
I like the TIM, though.
I feel your pain, Gringa..I had a heck of a time and I was married to a Mexican. Never did get permission to work, but I found something to do online, so I was lucky.
Loved it, though. Buena suerte!
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